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SilverHamer
07-18-2007, 05:21 AM
Well, I have. I thought about it for a couple of years before embarking on the project. This is going to be a very loooong post because there is a lot for me to say here, so please read on!

Having limited wood-working capabilities, mostly due to a lack of good quality wood-working tools and a workshop, I had to be a bit selective in how I approached building my first guitar.

Don't be caught up in the idea that you'll be saving yourself a ton of money if you build it yourself. It's like changing the oil in your car...you can go to Jiffy-Lube and spend about $20.00 and 10 or 15 minutes of your time while someone else drains your sump, changes the filter, and replaces the oil with a fresh batch of Castrol, or Penzoil, or whatever your preference. The more specialized you get in the type of oil, the higher the price, but it will still cost you about $20.00. If you do it yourself, you'll spend almost the same amount, maybe a little less, but YOU do the labor, and YOU have to dispose of your used oil...and if you follow EPA guidelines, you'll end up having to pay someone for the disposal anyways...so it's best to just go down to Jiffy-Lube or Wal-Mart and let THEM do it.

The same is true in building a guitar...well, sort of. Building a guitar is MUCH more enjoyable than changing the oil in your car...sorry for that analogy, but it was the best thing I could come up with...hehe. But when you DO decide to embark on building a guitar, you have some decisions to make.

1. Do I want to try to save myself a bunch of money?
2. Do I want to build a guitar which I will be proud to show because it looks great, sounds great, and plays nice?
3. A combination of 1 & 2.

For my first project, I decided to low-ball the costs because I wasn't sure if I would be able to build a guitar that would play worth a damn. There are so many little variables involved that must be considered...it's not simply a matter of getting a body and a neck, bolting them together, installing electronics, tuners, strings, and other hardware, and have a guitar. For me, I decided to take the path of least resistance, and attempt to save as much money as I could.

There are several possibilities out there for choosing a project. For me, as I mentioned previously, I do not have a shop and proper tools, so I opted for buying a body which was already stained/finished, as well as already routed for pickups and control cavity. I do not possess the skills to build a guitar with a set neck either, so I chose a simple project with a bolt-on neck...I built a Telecaster.

In all, my total expense came to just over $450.00. I cut costs on a few things, the first of which was the body. The body was brand new and unused, but it is unknown where it was made...most likely south of the border, or beyond the borders somewhere. I bought it on ebay...and I think I got lucky because when I found it, there was about 30 minutes left in the auction and there were only a couple of bids on it...which gave me some time to scout the seller's OTHER bodies. The one I bought did not have a "buy it now" price set on it, but others from the same seller had prices set on them from between $95.00 and $129.00. I won the auction for MINE for $40.00.

I purchased the rest of my hardware on ebay as well, save for my control pots and 3-way switch which I got from a local music store. I actually bought some from an ebay auction but when I got them I returned them because they were WAAAY too skimpy for my tastes...but I also paid a skimpy price. Everything else I got on ebay I paid the "buy it now" price for...the bridge, screws, control cavity plate, knobs, strap buttons, output jack and jack plate...etc.

There were two other things which I determined early on that I would NOT skimp on...that is the neck and the tuners. The tuners MUST maintain the tuning, and the neck MUST be straight and of good quality. I paid the "buy it now" price for a set of Wilkinson Kluson-style tuners which are of the "Vintage" design, and I bought the neck straight from Mighty Mite's website. The tuners were about $50.00 (shipped) and the neck was about $135.00 (shipped).

Pickups, well, I had it in my mind that I was going to use Seymour Duncans. I even did some checking into several pickup combination possibilities...to include using a "Little Humbucker" at the bridge position with a 4 conductor lead so I could do coil splitting for more tone variation. I found out, however, that when you do coil-tapping (splitting) in that position, you mostly just get a change in level as opposed to tone, and the real tone variance would be in the neck position. Since my body was already routed for a classic Tele-sized single coil pickup, putting a Humbucker in the neck position was out of the question.

I finally decided that I would go low-end on the pickups because I was still uncertain about whether the guitar would even play right. I didn't skimp on the control pots, so if the guitar turned out to be a jewel, I could always upgrade my pickups later. As it turned out, I bought two GFS Telecaster pickups from Guitar Fetish (actually from their ebay store but their website sells the same stuff for the same price as their "buy it now" on ebay) and was pleasantly pleased with what I got. The bridge pickup is wound to 7.4k and I paid $14.99 for it...the neck is wound to 5.4k and I paid $17.99 for it...it was a little more because it has a nice gold cover ;).

In all it took me about 6 months to collect all of the parts and finally get it all assembled. About the time I received shipment on the last bits of parts, there was a strike by the pilots at my company so I was finding myself with a lot of time on my hands for a few months. Of course THAT worked out real nice...thus I was able to grow my beard as you see here in this pic with my newly assembled Tele:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/mytele.jpg

If you have not seen my video demo, here is a link for that:

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=3864941

I DID get the string holes drilled through the body and the string ferules installed. One of the reasons why the body I bought was not one of the more expensive ones is because it was not drilled for the strings. Some Tele's are "top-loaded" but I wanted to string it through the body. It's working great too. AND, as of now I have absolutely NO plans of changing the pickups. Those GFS pickups have a great sound so I'm keeping them!

Ok...this post is long enough...BUT there is more to come and I will continue with it in a subsequent post.

SilverHamer
07-18-2007, 06:01 AM
Now that I have a little bit of experience at building a guitar, I am sort of itching to build another one...but THIS time I don't want to hold back on ANYTHING. With this, the possibilities are endless...I am a little undecided as to what to build next, but if it's going to be a Strat or a Tele, they will have the control cavities routed from the rear instead of on top. One of the things I have against the classic Strat or Tele designs is the way they are routed and the pick guard is used to cover the routes. I plan on my next guitar having a beautiful top on it and I do NOT want to hide ANY of it with a damn pick guard.

Here are some examples from the Warmoth website, http://www.warmoth.com

Beautiful rear-routed Strat:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmstrat02.jpg

A Top-Routed Strat (see what I mean about the function of the pick guard on the classic designs?):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmstrat04.jpg

I just cannot understand why ANYBODY would want to carve up such a beautiful piece of wood like that so that you are forced to cover it with a piece of plastic...it ruins it for me. Here's another rear-routed Strat body with a very nice quilted maple top, this one is routed for Humbuckers and a hard tail bridge instead of a tremelo:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmstrat03.jpg

These Warmoth bodies are quite a bit more costly than the one I bought for my Tele. LOL. These are finished, figured wood, and the prices range anywhere from between $300 and $650. Of course these look a lot better than your standard billet of Alder with a 3 color tobacco sunburst finish, so really you get what you pay for.

If I decide to build another Tele, I'm looking at one of these possibilities:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmtele01.jpg

I'm not much for the color of that one, but I DO like the fact that it is a standard Tele design which has the control cavity routed from the rear. No control plate required, no pick guard required, therefor more of that great figured maple top can be seen.

Those of you who have known me a little while also know that I have an affliction with Cherry Sunburst...here's a Tele Thinline that I would dearly love to have:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmtele02.jpg

I mentioned before that I don't have the skills to build a set neck...so anything I build would need to be a bolt-on. In MY mind, it is difficult to rationalize using a design which is traditionally one with a set neck and building a bolt-on with it. BUT here are a few examples of these models which you can get through Warmoth:

A Les Paul Double-Cut, or Hamer Sunburst, this one is Mahogany:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmLPDC01.jpg

Here is one routed for a tremelo bridge:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmLPDC03.jpg

That one almost looks like my Hamer Sunburst. How about some SG possibilities?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmSG02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmSG01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmSG03.jpg

And then, of course, there are loads of Les Paul possibilities:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmLP03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmLP02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmLP01.jpg

This next one has me pretty much drooling and I'm torn between building one of these or one of the rear-routed Strats:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmLPDC02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/wmstrat01.jpg

I'm thinking of building that strat above and putting some Texas Boomers (I think that is what Stevie Ray's pickups are called) in it...or maybe do the Little Humbuckers throughout and do some serious coil-tapping with it. At any rate, THIS guitar will probably cost about the same as if I bought it off the rack at the local guitar store...possibly even more by the time I put everything on it that I'm thinking about.

Necks from Mighty Mite are pretty good and MM has a good reputation for building parts for Fenders. They make necks for Gibson-style guitars as well, but I'm still wrestling with the idea of bolting a neck on one of those designs. I think there may be issues with reach as a result...but I could be all messed up on that one.

Anyways...I've been intending to post a thread like this for a while and just never found one of those little "round-tuits"...found one a little earlier tonight...LOL. Hope you guitar players have been entertained by this, and if you have any questions that you would like to ask me about my own experience to this point...as limited as it may be...please don't hesitate to ask away.

LC

MarkE
07-18-2007, 03:30 PM
wow...

Its spooky that both you and I got the same bug...at the same time. We have the same capabilities and the same limitations.

I have spent the last two weeks doing a tremendous amount of research on this subject. I am torn between doing a guitar or bass.

Warmoth has the nicest stuff. If I were to build a guitar or bass using all warmoth stuff, the price tag would be somewhere between $750 and $1100. I've also looked into Grizzly, Mojo and a few others.

I never really liked pick guards as they hide the beauty of the top. P Bass and Strat are good examples. Luckily, many others share this opinion and most bodies come with rear routing. A rear routed Strat with a bookmatched figured top is about as sexy as it gets.

After all of this research, I go round and round and still come back to the same conclusion. If I were to do a bass, Carvin is the way to go. THeir bass kit comes with everything, and it has a neck that I know I am comfortable with. It can be done for less than $500 and there is no woodwork except sanding and painting.

Im still looking though...

MarkE
07-18-2007, 03:42 PM
... and then I keep looking at those incredible rear routed SG bodies at warmoth...damn.

I really like the Dinky P bass too. That with a J bass neck. God help me...my wife is gonna kill me!


By the way...your Tele is magnificent!!!

babayaga
07-18-2007, 05:57 PM
Flamin' 'eck, I can't keep up with you two!! :-)

Larry - the Strat body looks gorgeous... go with it, I'm sure you'll do a great job on it.

I have an Epiphone acoustic which my Dad used to play which I've kept in a hard bodied case since the neck (accidentally...) broke some years back. I'd love to either repair / replace the neck and be able to use it again. It's on my TTDL, but a trip to New York next year to celebrate Sandra's 50th is going to strain the finances I think!

MarkE
07-18-2007, 07:51 PM
hahahaha...yeah...we're a little OCD

Larry...thanks for Mighty Mite. I didnt know about them. Something else to chew on now....jeezzzz.

I love the MotherBucker PUP LOL

SilverHamer
07-19-2007, 04:35 PM
Mighty Mite is "Licensed by Fender" to make replacement bodies and necks, and they do a great job from what I've seen. AND their necks have everything except the tuners installed, ie the NUT. I have seen other online shops which don't put a nut on their necks, so that's one more thing you have to monkey with yourself. HOWEVER, just because the neck you buy has a nut installed doesn't mean you won't need to do a little filing on it...I had to do some on my Tele neck because my #1 E string was deadened when played open because the factory slot needed to be opened just a bit.

Another place from which I've ordered a few parts is Stewart McDonald at http://www.stewmac.com Here are some necks and pre-finished bodies that they offer. MarkE I don't see any pre-cut and finised bass guitar bodies, but they have some replacement necks which are shown below:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/stewmacbassnecks01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/stewmacbassnecks02.jpg

Stewart McDonald's prices for their finished bodies is considerably less than Warmoth's...and you can still get the quilted maple tops. Here are some examples of their color ranges, as well as how they look, both top-routed and rear-routed:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/stewmacstratch.jpg
Color variety and Rear-Routed Cherry Sunburst Quilt

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/stewmacstratchtop.jpg
Top-Routed Cherry Sunburst Quilt

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/stewmacstratbl.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/stewmacstratrd.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/LarryC/Warmoth/stratneck.jpg

MarkE
07-20-2007, 05:06 AM
Thanks Larry

Yes, I knew about them. From what I read a lot of guys go there to get finishing supplies and hardware.

I just wish all this wasn't so damn expensive. Money is tight but I'd really like to do one of these. Like I said, I'll probably end up with a Carvin B4 bass kit. I'll get an alder body this time to get a softer sound.

I never realized until recently how much an effect the wood has in the overall sound. It really affects the sound more than the choice of pickups. Would you agree?

This walnut guitar of mine...the wood resonates like no guitar I have ever seen and you can distinctly tell the difference from alder in both feel and sound. I want a softer, deeper sound out of my next bass. I was seriously considering all koa, body and neck.

RandallFlagg
07-20-2007, 08:59 PM
Yep! Warmoth does a great job on their bodies and necks. There is a guy on talkbass.com (for you Mark) his name is Nino Valenti. Builds custom basses using Warmoth (but as I understand it, he is using more USCG parts now) but if you get the chance head over there and check some of his work out. This guy is a real artist!

Also, not a bad website for those of the "lowend" persuasion......



RF

MarkE
07-21-2007, 07:32 AM
Yeah....

Im really loving the warmoth stuff. I could easily spend a fortune there. I could easily build an SG bass, Dinky P bass, explorer bass and several guitars.

Pricey stuff though.

I still keep coming back to the Carvin B4 bass kit. High quality stuff and I could have everything I need for less than $500. I will probably do that first, then perhaps build my dream 6 string, which is strange because I dont really play guitar that much. I guess I just want it for my collection:cool:

SilverHamer
07-21-2007, 12:36 PM
If I was going to build a bass, I would go for the Carvin B4 kit as well. You KNOW what you're getting for one thing...and I say that in reference to where it is coming from. Warmoth is great, but as you said pricey. Mighty Mite has some bodies too for a moderate price. The chance I took with my tele was that I got parts from several sources, most of them were operating ebay stores. The only thing that I purchased from ebay that I wasn't pleased with was an electronics harness...pots, switch, and output jack...that turned out to be really cheap. I ended up buying a different set of pots, switch, and output jack over the counter at my local music store.

RandallFlagg
07-21-2007, 09:51 PM
Well FWIW... here's an old picture of a Valenti (Warmoth) Bass the he sold a while back:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/valenti1/041_Stock/041_002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/valenti1/041_Stock/041_004.jpg

And that's one his "uglier" models.....

MarkE
07-21-2007, 09:54 PM
Wooaaahh...thats frikkin nice! Damn:(

RandallFlagg
07-22-2007, 07:21 PM
Yep! Now, don't get me wrong, I, myself, am not that big on custom basses (nothing wrong with them, but they are ALWAYS pricey) but this guy does incredible work with parts that are readily available (through warmoth and such). He is a "little" pricey but not out of the ballpark (re:Warrior basses and their 3-6 Thousand price tag)

RandallFlagg
07-31-2007, 05:12 AM
Having made that last stupid remark.....let me say that I (if I ever build my OWN bass) it will be with THIS warmoth body:

http://warmoth.com/showcase/bodies/BP357a.jpg

breathtaking!!!

MarkE
07-31-2007, 05:17 AM
Wooaaaahhh

Shit....sign me up too!

SilverHamer
07-31-2007, 05:26 AM
Having made that last stupid remark.....let me say that I (if I ever build my OWN bass) it will be with THIS warmoth body:

http://warmoth.com/showcase/bodies/BP357a.jpg

breathtaking!!!

Warmoth has some really sweet bodies don't they. That's a shit-hot bass body right there, baby! Almost makes me wanna build a bass! LOL.

MarkE
07-31-2007, 05:29 AM
Yeah...Warmoth rocks. I can think of several builds Id LOVE to do using their bodies and necks.